Multiple Witness UFO sighting Plus Later Entity Observation

 This comes from the report "Nyon: Rencontre du IIIe type", investigation  by the Fédération Suisse d'Ufologie, on the website of the ufology group GREPI, Switzerland. I am glad I grabbed these details while I could -apologies for any bad translation- as the group web site no longer exists and I think the same applies to GREPI.

FEDERATION SUISSE D'UFOLOGIE:

The report by the Swiss Federation of Ufology (FSU) described a series of observations of Tuesday October 11 and Wednesday October 12, 1977 in Nyon. Mrs. V, of Belgian origin, established in Switzerland for sixteen years, housewife, woke up on the 11th at approximately 06:00 as usual to prepare her husband's breakfast - he wakes up around 06:15, and towards 06:20 she saw from the window of the dining room, southern side, a "grain of rice" or a "trout without fins" on the horizon and on the left of the rising sun, apparently above the Savoy. The silver-colored thing was motionless and its angular size was 2 or 1.5 times that of the rising sun.

She called her husband René, assembler in sanitary facilities, around 50, who saw the thing but thought that it was a plane, while his wife would insist to the investigators that she was certain that it was not a plane, as she is able to identify them as such since she already traveled by plane several times and often see the planes that go landing at the Geneva-Cointrin airport. She said the thing was completely different from a plane, and that what struck her the most was the absence of noise and the extremely slow movement.

The husband remained certain that it was a plane and did not believe anything that his family reported, he was very annoyed that his wife started to talk about those things, and his hostility caused some problems to some of the investigators.

At approximately 06:45, René V. told his wife that she did not look properly and that the object is moving. It now moved very very slowly towards the left, circumvented the house while remaining at the same apparent distance, i.e. without showing a change in size. The husband left to work, their Nathalie daughter, approximately 13 years, a schoolgirl, not too assiduous but of a sharp mind for her age and who also saw the thing, left for the school at approximately 07:10.

Mrs. V then ceased observing to do the housework, whereas the object approached the Jura, on the side of the North-East.

At approximately 09:00, Brigitte awoke. She was 19, and the Belgian niece of the V's on holiday at her aunts, of a modest cultural background but a good observer because she would give to the investigators a precise description of a motorist whom she would meet close to sighting location. She had heard about UFOs at the time of the Belgian flap of 1976, but only by the newspapers.

Brigitte then observed the object with binoculars without distinguishing details; the shape was the same, it has neither light, neither smoked, neither sound, nor smell and the thing was now on the other side of the house towards Divonne. The thing was then observed also by Mrs. V and a neighbor whom she sought, in order to avoid being called "nutcase."

Brigitte sees the thing suddenly split in three parts, whereas she was the only one to look as the others were busy with their occupations. These objects now had the appearance of a small cloud or a broad condensation trail with a black spot at an end.

Mrs. V and the neighbor then came back and saw that the three things moved away one from the other while slipping by in three opposed directions, then met at a speed higher than that of planes. The manoeuvers continued, with reverses of direction and crossings as for a dogfight game or aerial combat simulation. The witnesses then noted a rather strong sulphur odor.

These operations took place on several occasions during the day and up to approximately 05:00 p.m., the witnesses alternating their usual occupations and occasional observations, the phenomenon not being there at certain times. At one time, one of the three objects remained hidden in or behind a small cloud during half an hour, passing there or entering in at high speed without slowing down and not reappearing on the other side. The sky was not very cloudy and the objects passed above the clouds.

Mrs. V. felt ill at ease because of these observations.

About 02:30 p.m. this same day, Mrs. V., Brigitte and Nathalie were worried when they saw a thick column of smoke similar to that of a fire of undergrowth at a precise spot in a nearby maize field. Brigitte took the binoculars and it seems to her that she distinguished a metallic dome which exceeded the field through the smoke.

These three witnesses were now on the edges of their nerves after the observations of the morning, and decided with apprehension to go look from closer. They moved towards the maize field, but Mrs. V. soon fled running, like she never run in her life, for fright. She laughed nervously when she told this episode to the investigators.

At one time, Brigitte and Nathalie saw that two farmers were looking up from their tractor, in a field close to the tank. They did not deal at all with their work, their tractor was skidding, but they continued to look at the sky.

Nathalie went until the railroad but made a half-turn by arguing that the cats were following and that they should not get lost. Brigitte continued alone, crossing the railway, going up the ditch, skirting the maize field at the edge of the motorway. There was no smoke any more at this time there, and she noticed that a car had pulled up at the edge of the motorway. Its driver approached and asked her why she was looking up. She summarized the events to him and the man told her that he had seen a similar apparatus in the morning while he stood up, which had remained motionless for half an hour. The driver then resumed his travel.

The investigators think that this motorist undoubtedly stopped after having seen the apparatus in the maize field from the motorway while coming from Geneva. He did not have any other apparent reason to stop, but oddly, he did not go to see more closely. He remained unknown and untraceable, he had been very well described by Brigitte.

Brigitte walked until the end of the field and stopped in amazement as she saw though the plants a being of totally human appearance except the color of his face, who was approximately within 40 meters away. She squatted to observe him. He wore a metallized suit with 5 buttons of the same color, whose various elements were visibly separated. The suit was not tight-fitting, it was loose, "like that of a mechanic ". He also carried a hood, gloves, boots, a metallic belt. He was of normal size, with a greenish skin verging on the blue, only his face being seen, which was oval, with regular features, without particularities, with a slightly curved nose, a normal mouth with visible lips. She could not see whether he had teeth and did not remember to have seen eyebrows. There was nothing weird about his eyes. He carried at the left side, on his belt, an object some 20 centimeters long. The character was motionless, but moved his lips, no sound being perceived.

His apparatus was posed behind him, half hidden by the maize. It was the size of a large limousine and a little more than two meters in height. This "saucer" was topped by a gyratory light similar to the fire of an ambulance, but of green color, twice larger, and rotating faster. The object was of the same metal color as its occupant's suit, completely smooth, it had no doors, neither joints, neither bolts, no asperity of any kind were seen.

FSU sketch.

Brigitte was terrified by the repelling appearance of the character, she stood and run away. Arrived at the opposite corner of the field, she looked back and sawn the object rising gently and vertically, and she could note it had three cylindrical feet of approximately 50 centimeters each one ending in three small points. The saucer moved away gently towards the west.

Brigitte's drawing.

Brigitte resumed her runaway and noticed in the passing that the cows were excited. She came back at the house very shocked without have observed the direction taken by the saucer.

The house's dog, usually very quite, started to bark in the night of the 11the, to practically stop barking only three days later.

The next day, October 12, at approximately 05:30 p.m., Brigitte returned to the house from Nyon walking along the road of Saint-Cergue. When she arrived at the level of the wood of Calèves, she saw exactly the same saucer again, this time motionless above a tree at a dozen meters above the ground and approximately a hundred meters away. The feet of the machine were not visible this time, and she could see that the lower part of the machine was perfectly smooth.

She sat down in the grass at the edge of the road and looked at the machine during half an hour. Nothing occurred, and, bored she resumed he walk and went home. During all the time of this sighting and her return of approximately 15 minutes, nobody went by the road, neither by foot, nor by car.

The FSU learned that Mrs. M. had phoned the newspaper Le Journal of Nyon, who tried to get information at the observatory of Sauverny. The latter had an agreement with the Group of Ufology Research (GRU). Their investigators were on the spot the very same evening, whereas the witnesses were still under the shock of emotions, and their narration was confused. The GRU is said to have found traces on the landing the spot, which, to the admission of the investigators, could have been caused by anything, and did not match those that the witnesses later described to the FSU. Although these traces are very doubtful, the FSU was intrigued when Mrs. V, who knows nothing about flying saucers, mentioned a place where the ground was "like if it had been sucked up by a suction cup."

The FSU learned that other, unidentified, investigators had visited the witnesses several times, and that some of them had adopted an unpleasant attitude which had irritated the witnesses, which did not prevent them from collaborating with good will and kindness with the FSU investigators on October 26 and on November 2, 1977. The FSU notes that it took them hours to put the accounts in order, because they are not people used to focus in order report facts chronologically and with precision.

The FSU found no clues of a hoax, but raises all the same the issue that the saucer located half in the corn field according to Brigitte paradoxically left the maize upright. But as she had advanced only until approximately two or three meters before the end of the field to observe though an opening in the plants, it was difficult to her to perceive the exact position of the object compared to the field.

In general, the FSU notes that only contradictions that they could find were in the estimates of durations and dimensions, which are rather flexible in the witnesses minds, and show their weak qualification to correctly evaluate distances and durations. The FSU noted:

"Our relative practice of witnesses strongly encourages us to think that the durations indicated must be divided by about two, and that the dimensions given could vary of a factor 2. However we preserved them just as they were in our report of the events."

The V.'s house is at two kilometers of the center of Nyon, Jura side, already in full country, and at approximately 80 meters of the motorway and 80 meters of the little attended railway connecting Nyon to Saint-Cergue. The sight there is very clear from the Alps to the Jura. A power line skirts the motorway. The Prangins airfield is at 3 kilometers and the international airport of Geneva-Cointrin at 25 kilometers, the area is thus frequently flown over by helicopters and planes of all sizes and the witnesses are accustomed to their presence.

FSU passed a call to witnesses in the local newspaper, but nobody answered, which the FSU allots to the fear of the ridicule. The radars at the Geneva-Cointrin airport did not detect anything.

According to the newspaper L'Ouest Lémanique, the couple of the neighbors of the V. family managed to observe a saucer topped by a green light that was posed near a maize field, before flying away in two parts which moved away in different directions.

According to the GRU, other sightings occurred in the area, including one on the 10th of October in the evening above the Jura, with four or five large projectors that were seen in the sky.

[Note: The above is my synthesis of the FSU investigation report, I encourage the French-speaking readers to consult its original text with more illustrations currently on the GREPI ufology group website indicated in the references.]

Two Encounters, 35 Years Apart: Flatwoods 1952 & Baryshevo 1987

Stuff Gordon Creighton's opinion. As noted in my books his opinions and those of others at Flying Saucer Review were quite racist at times. No one who was not from Europe or white were "uneducated" and UFOP percipient Dionisio Lahanca was described as having "quite primitive" features.

Creighton and others at FSR knew full well that reports they built up via their English translations had been explained away in later reports but never published those. One 1957 report I searched for any trace of from 1977 to 2023but the story originated at FSR and they could find none of the correspondence on the case which, because of its nature would have been a very big historical event. Everything started and stopped at FSRs door.

The Flatwoods case has had so many debunkers working on it since the 1950s but the original events (not the made up pop culture tourist stuff) still go unexplained.

Reports from Russia where hoaxing at every level existed and still does I never trust. So the later case although interesting and with elements I am familiar with, gets a Low categorisation.

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Well, If By The Evidence It Is A Hoax It Could Also Well Be Genuine

The Wikipedia entry on Travis Walton is very interesting. He faked it all and Philip J Klass proved it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton_incident

Well, he never did because he used dirty tricks and lies and was caught out.  The watch tower was only publicised over 40 years later and most people dismissed this as the "UFO" or having any connection.

When I wrote UFO Contact I spent months going over every account Walton gave. I went over every debunkers work on the case and I was shocked (having expected this would give me what I needed to dismiss the Walton case) that it all fell apart. As already noted, I scrapped my first Ms and started from scratch again to dismiss the on board or other accounts and every time I thought "I've got him -it was a hoax!" the 'evidence fell apart. When it comes to taking Klass's word on something...no. He has a well known track record of faking to debunk (I should write "had" since he passed away).

I don't hold polygraph tests as evidence though the willingness of someone to undergo the test to prove they are not lying adds a tad more credibility. Undergoing hypnosis has (see previous post) been shown to add details to accounts as the mind fills in gaps and one psychologist has mentioned that looking at the aftermath of the incident Walton appears to have had some signs of post traumatic stress.

No one seems to want to mention that, independent of each other, Walter and Sgt Moody both described similar entities and neither knew of the other as the incidents were around the same time and Moody's was not publicised.

Based on all of the original details the Walton case is certainly not "dismissed by Ufologists and believers in abductions" -you have to look at this from outside the Ufological framework because otherwise you believe everything and I for one have seen the unprofessional and disreputable behaviour of Ufologists in 50 years. I*t is interesting that the Wikipedia entry has changed from the pro -con entry to the "this is all lies!" stance.  Detail everything alleged to prove a case a hoax and leave it at that.

I did laugh out loud reading:

"Walton didn't report paralysis, recovered memories or other common elements of an "alien abduction" narrative, leading Fire in the Sky screenwriter Tracy Tormé to opine "I don't think the Travis case is an abduction case... it doesn't fit any of the other patterns as in the cases that were explored in [Budd Hopkin's book] Intruders... So many witnesses, gone for five days... So I think all those things break the mold and make this case unique."

Tracy Tormé was an American screenwriter and television producer, known for his work on the science fiction series Sliders and Star Trek: The Next Generation, and the film Fire in the Sky. Hew was not a Ufologist and of course he was going to promote the film he was involved with if you take the debunker stance. I think that the joke is that what Budd Hopkins spouted was taken as factual. 

Also, Klass wrote in response that"a 'UFO-Abduction Mold' did not yet exist in 1975" -so he shoots himself in the foot. If Walton had followed an established Hopkins type UFO abduction then that would have put a flashing "possible hoax" sign right next to it. Klass also did not study on board experiences to any degree and so he could never draw comparison with other cases recorded but not publicised at that time -and there were more than a few.

Most of the components of the "this is a hoax" claims can easily be turned around and that is what I found so annoying. I wanted the actual evidence that this was a hoax.

Mike Rogers argument and statements re Walton in 2021 were embarrassing -for Rogers. It seemed as though age was catching up with him and that was exploited by certain people. I noted that he contradicted himself several times while not even under pressure to answer questions. Rogers later apologised and re-united with Walton. The claims that he was being paid to "say certain things" were ignored by Ufology in general.

The Walton case is recorded and there for researchers to compare with similar, often not reported on cases. This is a 50 years old report and can be argued back and forth without achieving anything. It's True. It's Fake. It's Might have happened. It is a "You decide" situation and is very similar to the Patterson-Gimlin 1968 Bigfoot footage of "Patty" and the fact that more time is spent on arguing back and forth shows that all you can do is record the facts then leave it to history to decide.

Walton's case, like the Petterson-Gimlin footage, has been recorded and in the meantime we have lost some pretty genuine sounding reports from seemingly credible people. Research in both fields is basically a mess.

Preaching To The Wind

It was in 1974 that I decided to look at "Humanoid"/"UFOnaut"/"Occupant" reports. As noted elsewhere I was openly laughed at and even ridiculed for doing so. "The silly nonsense won't get you any respect in the filed" I was told time and again. My response was always "Well, if you think these are intelligently controlled craft then they must be operated by someone or something and we can learn more about what is going on from the reports"

"Ho ho ho! We know who is flying these craft -Mr Adamski told us!"

Well, if the con man says so and you believe him...

The one thing that I found was that if someone was interested and wanted to get involved in the work they did not last long. The Dream sealed it.  The "Dream" usually involved the person in question dreaming about finding themselves in an isolated location (for me it was a shed of some type with a window) and they witness a UFO landing and see entities.  Basically, it was a dream created by the mind filling itself with so many reports and does not just happen with Ufology. I once worked, as a very young man, at a firm that created and sold prints of paintings. It involved rolling up prints, putting them into cardboard tubes -after a couple days I had a vivid dream in which I was carrying out this work -and I never quit the job!

But some saw this "Dream" as a warning. Or it just spooked them so much they did not want to look at another entity report.

For that reason I spent 51 years reading and listening to and watching absolutely anything on alleged real life entity encounters.  My friend in the United States, Travis Whitehurst even sent me tapes of Budd Hopkins' original talks and lectures to MUFON (those tapes were stolen long ago). What concerned me was that something was going on with hypnosis that I was very unsure about but I and many others were assured that all of the work was 100% peer reviewed. It never was.

On one tape, Hopkins described how one percipient reported seeing an animal -deer or similar. After that nothing. He decided that the percipient needed to be pushed to try to break through what he called a memory block -deliberately created to stop the percipient recalling what happened.  I thought "okay" after all this was all being peer reviewed. As things progressed it turned out that the deer or whatever was seen was in fact...aliens. Small aliens and they matched descriptions from cases we knew of.  Short, large headed -but NOT "Greys". Even the late Ann Druffel noted that before Hopkins we had short, large headed entities but never "Grays" (she really seemed to take exception to people writing "Greys" rather than the American spelling of "Grays"!).

However, Hopkins revealed that it was not just a sighting of entities but that there was missing time (I referred to these cases in the 1970s as "Time Loss Incidents"). And pushing the percipient even further under hypnosis "you need to break through this and see what really happened" we got on board experiences. This then jumped to examinations similar to that reported by the Hills. That got pushed even further until we eventually had the generational child -to-adult life time abductions. Eventually we even had reports of abductions of the mother and recall of Greys examining the percipient in the womb...oh, and even further past life abductions by Greys.

Eventually, we ended up with the whole "Grey phenomenon" and even old cases being re-written to suggest or state that the entities seen were Greys. Apparently, Adamski indicated that he had seen Greys -I read all of his books and I can tell you that was and is an outright fabrication. A lie. Hopkins, Jacobs et al created the Greys in the 1980s long after Adamski's death in April, 1965.

There is a pattern that you can trace from someone getting interested in UFOs to their "realisation" that they were abductees and that includes investigators such as Dr Leo Sprinkle, Raymond E. Fowler and Dr Karla Turner (her books are amazing as you can follow the progression from just an interest to "I was abducted!"these are text books).

What I keep wondering about is how many people do actually encounter entities, small, large headed or otherwise and do not want to become a Ufology media circus freak?  In fact, if you look at the MUFON page where you can report sightings and encounters entity reports rarely get a follow up. It was a money spinner at one time but now "Disclosure" and all the other grifter claims are far more important -they bring in more money.

The people who went to Hopkins and others (in the UK Flying Saucer Review basically turned hypnosis sessions into "parlour events" with wives and friends attending) probably had encounters but those should be allowed to be recalled naturally unless memories are causing someone such stress that hypnosis will relieve that.  Oh, what were "abductees" have now been renamed "Contactees" because it is more social media friendly.

I would suggest that (and here we are taking the step to accepting that these are genuine encounters) maybe only 1-2% of encounter percipients report what happened. A lot of reports still being cited a genuine incidents can be easily proven to be dream paralysis, altered states and many others were press or Ufologist fake cases and some were not UFO connected. During the 1954 French UFO wave witnesses observed a landed UFO and an entity carrying out repairs. This was in fact known at the time to be a bus driver and a broken down bus (albeit after dark). Clearly meteors, aircraft and other normal things were reported as unexplained. Ufologists such as Jacques Vallee KNOW this but still use those reports to grift on.

What appear to have been genuine accounts went un-investigated and we only have details from newspapers that were confirmed years later. Ufologist angrily stating that journalists got certain details in accounts wrong are laughable -they only decided to get off their asses and investigate some 20-40 years after the event.  Of all the humanoid/Occupant reports on the record it is a shock to say that only 5% (I am being generous) were ever investigated.

Either through using hypnosis or ignoring reports for various reasons ("don't believe them!"/ "I'm not getting involved in that stuff!" or downright prejudice against witnesses due to skin colour) Ufologists have screwed things up. We have lost so much and we are still probably losing much more testimony.  Ufology is not and never was a "scientific study" but has pushed and promoted charlatans, hoaxes and fabricated research to draw in publicity and through that money. 

It is absolutely of vital importance that the accounts from people who see entities by a landed craft or have onboard experiences are recorded. They have to be looked at and investigated with an open but sceptical (NOT debunking) mind. If what they claim is true that is very important and although it may be anecdotal there could be physical evidence associated with encounters that could tell us more.

With reports from the 1950s -2000s going un-investigated we have to remember that once a witness passes that experience/account vanishes.

Yeah, I am preaching to the wind.

Udo Wartena and His Alleged UFO Encounter of 1940

On some sites the date of the incident is given as January whereas it is clearly recorded as May, 1940.

 "It was also 7 years before the Roswell crash and 17 years before the first satellites orbited the earth." is also cited yet a flying saucer crash that never happened being cited is pointless and I find another statement that: "This case may present the best information on why aliens are visiting our planet" whereas it does not. It is basically an account with no back up evidence or even evidence that it really happened.

Udo’s encounter took place mid-morning early in May, 1940 at his mining claim in the forest near the base of Boulder Mountain, a short distance from Canyon Ferry Lake, near the small town of Townsend, southeast of Helena in Montana. Udo, a 37-year-old miner of Dutch origin was working in the area part-time for the Northwest Mining Company.

During the previous month he had found a glacial deposit at the base of the mountain, which showed indications of gold-bearing ore. He began working the site in his spare time and first cleared an old and neglected ditch, which ran around the mountainside, using it to divert the water he would need in his mining from a nearby stream.

While moving some large boulders, he heard a humming or droning sound, which he first took to be aircraft, which flew over the area occasionally from Great Falls base in the north. At first Udo took little notice of the sound, but when the noise continued he thought that a vehicle had driven up so he climbed up onto higher ground.

A large disc-shaped object, measuring about thirty five feet high and over a hundred feet across, was hovering a short distance away just above the meadow where he had built his dam. Udo described it as like “two soup plates, one inverted over the other” and resembling “stainless steel in color, though not as bright and shiny”.

As he stood watching, thinking at first that it was an airship, a circular stairway with a solid bottom forming part of the craft’s hull was let down and a man who descended began walking towards him.

“As I was somewhat more than interested,” Udo later wrote, “I went to meet him. He stopped when we were ten or twelve feet apart. He was a nice looking man, seemingly about my age. He wore a light gray pair of overalls, a tam (a common term in that period derived from “Tam O ‘Shanter” – a circular cap) of the same material on his head and on his feet were slippers or moccasins”.

The man came and shook his hand, apologizing that they had not known anyone was in the area, explaining that it was not their custom to interrupt or allow themselves to be seen. “He asked me if it would be alright if they took some water, and as I could not see why not, I said ‘sure’. He then gave a signal and a hose or pipe was let down. His English was like mine, but he spoke slowly, as if he were a linguist and had to pick his way.”

The man asked Udo what he was doing and this was explained. Udo, asked if he would be interested in coming aboard the ship, went willingly and without any sense of fear. As he got underneath the craft, Udo described the humming as “not loud, though it seemed to go through you”; once inside the ship the noise was hardly noticeable except what came up the stairwell.

INSIDE THE CRAFT

“We entered into a room about twelve by sixteen feet, with a close-fitting sliding door on the farther end, indirect lighting near the ceiling and nice upholstered benches around the sides. There was an older man already in the room, plainly dressed, but his hair was snow white. I then noticed that the younger man’s hair was also white.”

Udo described him as being “young and strong-looking” and having clear, almost translucent skin.

Perhaps this explains the curious fact that Udo seems to have asked their age, even before asking their origin; clearly there was something about their appearance to prompt such an enquiry.

The men answered that one was “about six hundred years old” as we measure time and the other was “over nine hundred years” of age. They informed him that they knew over five hundred languages and were learning ours and improving upon them all the time.

When asked why they wanted to take water from the stream and not the lake, the younger man replied that, “the water was good and was free of algae (as if they had retrieved the same before) and it was convenient”.

Many years later Udo indicated to a family member that hydrogen extracted from the water was in fact the fuel source for the craft.

Udo then asked what caused the noise of the craft and was not only shown the mechanism that powered the disc, but also given what appears to be a full and open discussion of the key principle involved, in the following words:”…’as you noticed we are floating above the ground, and though the ground slopes the ship is level. There are in the outside rim, two flywheels, one turning one way and the other in the opposite direction’.

“He explained [that] this gives the ship its own gravitation or rather overcomes the gravitational pull of the Earth and other planets, the sun and stars; and through the pull of the stars and planets…to ride on like you do when you sail on ice.

An interesting analogy. Elsewhere Udo described the ‘flywheels’ or rings as being about three feet wide and several inches thick, separated by rods turned by motors and next to ‘battery of transformer’-like units all around the inside perimeter of the circular ship.

Udo was told that the two revolving rings or wheels developed an electromagnetic force, a term he did not understand at the time and inferred from what he learned that the ability to develop a cheaper and more practical energy source was of the utmost importance to mankind.

He was also told that the craft was able to focus on a distant star and use its energy to draw itself through space at speeds faster than light, quote: “skipping upon the light waves”. These 1940 explanations seem remarkably similar to the propulsion method Robert Lazar claimed to have learned while working on alien craft in possession of the U.S. government at ‘Area 51′ and also sounds very much like some of the theories now being advanced by physicists:…the creation of a local distortion of space-time is expanded behind the spaceship, contracted ahead of it, yielding a hyper surfer like motion faster that the speed of light as seen by observers.

In essence, on the outgoing leg of its journey the spaceship is pushed away from Earth and pulled toward its distant destination by the engineered local expansion of space-time itself.

Udo then wrote “I then asked them where they got the energy to run such a large ship? They said from the sun and other stars and would store this in batteries, though this was for emergency use only. They carried another source but did not explain this to me…”

Asked where they came from, he was told they lived on a distant planet and gave its name – unfortunately not recorded by Udo – and pointed in its direction. Udo asked what their object was for coming to Earth?

“Well.” he said, “as you have noticed, we look pretty much as you do, so we mingle with your people, gather information, leave instructions or give help where needed.” Explaining that they were monitoring the progression and retrogression of our societies, the man claimed that they lived among us from time to time, a clear statement indicating long-term covert alien surveillance prior to 1940. Udo wrote that he did not understand what was meant by them “giving help where needed” but he did not feel it proper to ask about it further.

When Udo asked if they knew of Jesus Christ and about religion he was told that they would “like to speak of these things but are unable. We cannot interfere in any way”. The area of religion and belief systems was to be the only question the aliens refused to discuss.

During his time on board, Udo was invited to be examined for impurities in his system by an “X-ray like machine” which passed over him. Little was recorded about this examination however and Udo seems to have attached scant importance to it.

While talking with the two men, a light had come on which Udo believed indicated that the water had been taken care of. He mentioned that he felt it was time for him to leave.

The alien’s response was to ask if he was interested in going with them, to which Udo responded: ” I said that I thought it would be interesting, but felt it would inconvenience too many people. Later, I wondered why I said that”.

Some time later, Udo recalled an incident about two years previously where a young man had vanished nearby without a trace, despite days of searching by a sheriff’s team. He wondered if the young man had met the same craft and gone with them.

As he started to leave the ship, they suggested to Udo that he “…’tell no-one, as no one would believe me at the time’, but in years to come I could tell about this experience. When I walked away from the ship they raised the stairway, and when I got a couple of hundred feet away from the ship I turned around.

“A number [of] more portholes had opened up and though I could not see anyone, I felt sure they could see me, anyway I waved at them. The ship then rose straight up until it cleared the trees, then while circling slightly, it practically rose straight up and in a very short while was completely out of sight.

“As I didn’t have a watch, I did not know for sure how long I had been with them, but according to the sun it was around noon, or somewhat around two hours.”

Udo later related how some type of “energy” had permeated the area and that he lost his strength for several hours and was unable to walk. When his strength finally returned he went over to where the huge craft had hovered, finding only crushed grass where the stairway had rested. Later, still feeling overwhelmed by his unexpected experience, he walked back to his base camp

     The Ufologists loudly shouted out that the information Wartena learnt and reported  "was similar to Bob Lazar’s while at Area 51". How does referring to one of the biggest grifters in Ufology whose whole false history of being at Area 51 help this account?  

Again I point out that Udo never spoke a word about the encounter for decades. We have no idea what frame of mind he was in at the time of his death. That there is no diary  or note book entry dating back to 1940 or even his wife being told points to this being  a report only deserving a VERY Low classification.

Let's say that Udo was reporting what he genuinely believed -a one off experience in 1940. Firstly, despite what is claimed, pulp science fiction was a big deal at the time and we do not know whether he read the pulps or if he ever visited the movies to watch serials such as Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers. If -IF- he considered this a real encounter we are left with the possibility of an altered state experience with the movie serials or pulps creating what he saw. Remember the reported weakness after the encounter?

 Physiological effects following an altered state experience can include lingering fatigue, disorientation, mood changes like anxiety or euphoria, and changes in sensory perception or pain perception. However, these effects are highly variable and depend on the specific type of experience and the individual, with some experiencing profound shifts in perception or emotional states, and others experiencing only mild, temporary symptoms.

We should look at each report as it comes in but so many of these "early encounters" are reported 30, 40 or 50+ years later with no one else ever having been told. People who were told are usually reported as having passed away -parents or siblings and they kept the incident secret.  It means we have a story and nothing more.  That some Ufologists literally berate other Ufologists for not taking the Wartena case seriously is almost laughable.

As noted, this report would be categorised as Very Low.

Thompson, James L., Aliens and UFO’s, (Bountiful Utah, Horizon. 1993)

Udo Wartena UFO Alien Case in 1940, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTOsD-U9QqM

Udo Wartena Encounter in 1940, http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.ca/2013/01/udo-wartena-encounter-in-1940.html?utm_source=BP_recent

 

 

 

 

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If -IF- true then what the person is describing are altered state episodes in which you can scratch yourself somehow but in your mind it is explained another way.

WHERE is the corroboration from his parents re events?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVsQuLcx84

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