Meetings with UFOs discussed by experiencers of the phenomenon (1991)

 Tor Erikson's account is interesting. It shows James Harder who did work with Hynek was planting abduction ideas into peoples' minds/

Let's Be Honest

 In the last few months I have tried to update report files.I have worked solidly to make sure that all the details are saved for posterity.  

With British Ufology I have found that one "majhor case" after another simply crumbled away. One particular Ufologist was involved in three of these and NOW, after being asked for any extra information, his fellow investigator has cast major doubt on the authenticity of what was reported. Checking one case the location is dubious but the name of the percipient does not appear in any registery for that county...ever.

Another tells a good story but this is how it went down:

Me: "Is it possible to please get a copy of the investigation report?"

Inv:"The details are in my book"

Me: "Well, I cannot put a whole book into a folder and the report itself would stand as better evidence"

after a delay:

Inv: "I can send you a word doc but if used it will need to be credited to me"

Me: "No problem  there. Thanks for your effort"

The email arrived. It was the chapter from his book. I contacted him again and explained that I would very much like to include an actual investigation report  in the files:

Inv: "There was only a standard UFO report form on the UFO"

Me: "Okay, can I get a copy of that please?"

Inv: "I don't know where it is. I think I ghave it to a Ufologist."

This was a case that Ufologist has pushed as major and involving "UFO abduction" and much, much more. All he had was his notes from his book and not even the report form which he gave away (ever hear of a photo copier?). The evidence for the case is ZERO. It canbnot be used as anything other than a file filler.

So how about another one of his "Major UFO incident and abduction" cases that he has written and spoken of extensively?  No report.  A third case.... well, he is not getting back to me on that one (it has been a couple weeks).

This is not a fluke. Two other authors recently told me they havce no idea where their notes are on "significant" cases and I suspect that there are no reports and that means those cases have to be classed as LOW evidence (opne even admits to ignoring a letter from teenage witnesses BECAUSE they were "kids".

Out of ten 'Ufologists' who wrote books on abductionshow many do you think know how to get in touch with the percipients or have stayed in touch with them?  Not a single one. They got what they wanted -info for a bvook or chapter in a book and that was it.

Mona Stafford is the last surviving member of the trio said to have been abducted in Liberty, Kentucky in 1975. That was a major case with all the extra anecdotal evidence and look what happened. The trio were milked dry for everything to go into magazines and books and then dumped. Even the 'stellar' MUFON had no idea about the case until I reminded them and they had no contact details. They did not know that two of the women had passed away. Mona Stafford appeared on a news (TV) item back in the mid 2000s and I have tried newspapers and even the reporter/TV station that interviewed her -no contact details. I try and try and try but a failure every time.

Here is another: Kelly Cahill involved in one of the most spectacular UFO abduction cases (1993 Australia). Multiple on board percipients and physiological evidence and independent corroboration and the Paranormal Research Australia report would have all the tech and scienbtific analyses to make it as close to absolute evidence as you can get.  Kelly did the UFO conference circle pointing this out and it was bviously wearing her down based on the body language at times. Then....someone in PRA gave out the names of the witnesses who had come forward based on their anonimity being preserved. A court case against PRA and the report has never appeared (likely due to legal reasons).

Yes, Ufologists ****** up everything.

The PRA would not respond to me -and I have tried a few times. So I tried to contact Cahill: dead end. I contacted any Australian UFO group I could find. Two had never (?!) heard of the case and the others "no idea".  Yes, a truly major UFO event screwed up by the investigators (and I have always been open to hearing their side of things) and the known main witness.... no one knows where she is.  I suspect that after all the work Cahill put into making facts known the betrayal of witness confidentiality (as in the case of the three Liberty percipients) and what ensued she simply walked away and got on with her lifr.

We lost the Kathy Reeves family encounter from 1965 BECAUSE of a lazy Ufologist. We lost all the details from Eupora, 1973 BECAUSE of racist Ufologists and there is a catalogue of such histories. 

We have lost cases that may have been historically significant and no one is interested in 2026 because there is no money ot great publicity for them.

THAT is Ufology.

Confessions of an Alien Abductee

 I leave this with NO COMMENT

The Runcorn UFO Encounter ....which story is correct?

 

I have counted five (5) different versions of this account. Eerie's Vault adds another. This is from Spooky Valley https://spookyvalley.com/events/1979-frodsham-encounter/

Three young men night-fishing on the marshes near Frodsham reported a bell-shaped craft and tall figures who they said paralysed them with a beam of light before departing across the Mersey estuary.

 

January 27, 1979

Frodsham, Cheshire, England

3+ witnesses

Bell-shaped craft hovering above wetland trees with a vertical beam of light

Bell-shaped craft hovering above wetland trees with a vertical beam of light · Artistic depiction; AI-generated imagery, not a photograph of the event

The Frodsham encounter is one of the more frequently cited British close encounters of the late 1970s, partly because the witnesses were young, articulate, and willing to speak openly, and partly because the case was investigated by the Manchester UFO Research Association at a time when British civilian research was unusually well organised.

 

Background

The Cheshire marshes, where the River Weaver opens into the Mersey, are a stretch of low, reedy land that can feel almost theatrical at night. Patches of mist drift across the flats, the sounds of the nearby chemical works drift in from the north, and visibility shifts unpredictably. The area was, and remains, popular with night anglers, who fish for eels and pike in the still channels.

 

Through the 1970s the wider Merseyside region produced a steady stream of unusual aerial reports, and the Frodsham marshes featured in several of them. The Manchester UFO Research Association maintained close contact with local press and was often on the scene within days of any reported encounter.

 

The Sighting

In the early hours of 27 January 1979 three friends, all in their early twenties, were night-fishing at one of the quieter channels on the marsh. The night was cold, with patchy mist over the water. Shortly after midnight they noticed a soft glow rising over the reedbeds to the south.

 

By their account the glow resolved within a minute or two into a bell-shaped object roughly the size of a small van. It descended slowly to a position perhaps fifty metres from their fishing spot and emitted a vertical column of pale light onto the marsh. The men reported that they could not move for the duration of the encounter, that the air felt thick, and that their voices, when they tried to speak, came out muffled.

 

Two figures, taller than a man and dressed in what the witnesses described as glistening pale suits, descended from the craft and moved across the marsh in their direction. The figures stopped some distance away, appeared to lift one of the men’s fishing rods briefly, and returned to the craft. The object then lifted, the column of light withdrew, and the men were able to move again. The craft drifted north toward the Mersey and disappeared from view within a minute or two.

 

Investigation

The Manchester UFO Research Association, through investigator Harry Hesketh, took up the case within a week. The three men were interviewed both together and separately, and their accounts were broadly consistent on the shape of the craft, the column of light, and the figures. They were less consistent on small details such as the precise duration of the encounter, which is not unusual under the circumstances.

 

No physical traces were found at the marsh, although the investigators noted that the saturated ground would have made trace evidence difficult to read at the best of times. None of the men sought publicity and one of them was visibly reluctant to speak to investigators, agreeing to do so only because his friends had insisted.

 

The encounter has structural parallels with the Robert Taylor incident the same year and with the broader category of British marshland and woodland encounters that includes the Rendlesham case the following winter.

 

Aftermath

A short account of the case appeared in the regional press in February 1979 and was picked up by national tabloids in a sensationalised form. The witnesses, none of whom had wanted that level of attention, declined further interviews. The case has been reviewed by Jenny Randles and others over the years and remains one of the more curious British encounters of the period.

 

Skeptical Analysis

Sceptical commentary has focused on the men’s lack of independent corroboration and on the possibility of shared misperception in conditions of cold, fatigue, and patchy mist. The reported paralysis has been compared with sleep-paralysis episodes, although the men insisted they were fully awake and actively fishing immediately before the encounter. No conventional explanation has been advanced that accounts for the bell-shaped object, the figures, and the column of light as a single coherent event.

 

Harry Hesketh, MUFORA case files, 1979. Liverpool Echo, regional coverage, February 1979. Jenny Randles, The Pennine UFO Mystery (1983).

The Travis Walton Experience: New footage revealed | UNKNOWN | FOX 10 Phoenix

 

Traditionalist Publishers Do NOT Want Truth or Facts

 

I was asked why I stopped trying to find a more traditional publisher to handle the prose books since they would have all the extra marketing skills etc to sell titles?  

It isn't so much that I stopped looking it is the fact that publishers are simply not interested and have moved away from reading and publishing and gone more for publishing by committee -with members and their own prejudices and biases. 

This is what I got from one publisher regarding The Red Papers last year:

"Dear Terry,

"Thank you very much for your message and for sharing the background to your extensive work in wildlife study and conservation, as well as the details of your two publications.

"We appreciate your dedication and the long-term fieldwork and research that support these titles. To help us better understand the scope and potential fit of your work with our editorial line, we would kindly ask you to complete the attached proposal form. This document will allow us to gather key information about the content, intended audience, and objectives of the books. It also outlines how to send further material should the proposal move forward.

"Once we have the completed form and any additional documentation you wish to share, our editorial board will carefully review the proposal. If we feel there may be a possible fit, we will be in touch to discuss next steps.

Thank you again for considering Lynx Nature Books. "

Now, considering that the company had as best a synopsis as I could give of the work which covers decxades of study, research and field work as well as gathering very rare images how else can you make  the work of interest to a publisher?

Controversial and against dogma -fully referenced from official publications and works that back up the statements and not "Well I heard" as seems more common these days. We now KNOW what the original British Isles wild cat looked like as well as the fact that we know when Scottish zoologists declared (in 1897) that the Highland wild cat had become extinct. It can now be proven  (not that it ever needed to be) that there were indeed three variations in Old British foxes.

Original: since 1900 dogma set it that meant that generrations have been misled by people who like to call themselves experts but who preach dogma. It has taken decades of archive research as well as investigation to not just prove what is stated in the books as facts but even more to get physical evidence in the form of taxidermy specimens to prove the case.

The Red Paper: Canids (2010) was called by the late Sir David Bellamy "explosive for British natural history" -and that version of the book was "sparse" com,pared to the 2022 version.

Perhaps publishers want to save themselves embarrassment from decades of inaccurate books they have published?

And, no, I never heard back from Lynx Nature Books.  I did hear from another publisher that my manuscript had gone through the first committee to be looked at, then that the second committee had approved "the book being listed" to be looked at. A year on and nothing. 

Three years ago I was informed by one publisher that with modern societal changes they needed to look at books and consider gendere diversity and ethnic diversity and what my book could contribuite to that. I was writing about researchy on wild canids and felids and just what the hell anything else had to do with that I have no idea.

Unfortunately, I am not included in the long list of virtue signalling tick boxes.

The Red Papers were accepted three times by a publishing editor only, a month or so later, the same editor telling me that "At the moment the book does not fit into our upcoming schedule".  I later learnt that one publisher was very unhappy with one of the editors as they had been publishing the modern, false British natural history for decades.

I have a big collection of books on or referring to foxes in the UK. Each and every one of the authors has just done what we would call today "copied and pasted" from others. An incorrect fact published in 1950 is copied (almost verbatim) throughout the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and ad infinitum.  Lying about factual history is never good.

Then we come to the "World mystery" books. Heavily researched and referenced with some -truthfully- very rare or thought lost photographs and images (we know they are lost images because author after auther states this...they just never went to the source material). The photographic image of the City of Brtistol that appeared in the sky over Alaska. Gone forever.. well, no. I found it. 

Many "mystery creatures" (cryptids) took years to dig down to the actual facts in the sources to sometimes surprisingly identify and only through archive research did I find a newspaper report of what might have been the first gorilla from Africa in the early 1800s.

The truth may well not be "sexy" or "hip" but for each animal identified or each mystery looked at and solved there are those that are not. You follow the facts and the reference sources to the truth -or the mystery.

Sadly, unless you scream "cover up" or push sensationalist  but provable false claims publishers are not interested. Back in the 1980s -yes, the 1980s- one publisher "loved" my manuscript but, in writing, asked whether I could not just add in claims of government cover ups, threats and so on to "spice it up"?  I responded that I could only write about provable facts and my own experiences and would not lie to spice things up. My book suddenly became very uninteresting!

I am an archivist, researcher and historian  so what do I do -just gather all the material in files andf let it gather dust until I am no more and it all gets burnt or thrown into a skip and lost forever?  No, I do what most stupid people like me do: self publish in the belief that people would sooner have fact that sensationalist lies. 

There are a lot of us stupid people around.

Percipients In Encounters

 To make sure that it is understood: I am open to hearing from people who have been involved in CE3Ks/AE encounters old or new.

For privacy you can email me at hoopert1957@gmail.com

The Vera Partington Encounter: Fact or Fiction?

 

UK  Winter 1976/1977?   Wealdstone-Harrow, Middlesex

Peter Paget  UFOs The Welsh Triangle, Panther, London, 1979: p.48

 

“In February, 1977, Vera Partington, of Harrow, Middlesex had reported to me an encounter with a very similar figure (to one seen at Ripperston Farm, Wales –THS) on the road between Wealdstone and Harrow, one winter’s evening at 10.30.  She was driving from Harrow Weald to her home at Harrow-on-the-Hill, along the darkened road, when her car’s headlights picked out a huge silversuited (sic) man.

“She vividly remembers: ‘He was walking down the centre of the footpath, going in our direction, wearing what looked like a silver, all-in-one wet suit or diver’s suit.  He was about 6 ft tall and on the top of his helmet was what appeared to be an aerial about 8 in high.  His walk seemed to be a sort of dogged plodding, with his arms swinging about a foot away from his body.  I turned round quickly to catch a glimpse of his front, but too late, we were round the bend of the road and out of sight.’

“The drawing that she supplied of her ‘spaceman’ showed that he had a helmet coming down to his shoulders, encasing his head, in exactly the same manner as the figures in Wales.”

Note by THS: It is assumed, as this is the focus of this book, that “Winter” refers to that of 1976/1977 as no specific month is given.

No images are contained in what is a hodge-podege potboiler somewhat in the style of Arthur Shuttlewoods Warminster books.

“Our direction” and “we” use seems to indicate that someone else was with the witness.  Therefore this would be an incident involving at least two people.

Attempts have been made to contact Peter Paget –all unsuccessful.

12  10  2018 a response

Name: Terry Hooper

Email: hooperco

 Hello, Mr Paget.

I am currently updating the UK CE3K and entity reports catalogue and wondered whether you might still have details passed on to you by Vera Partington? You wrote "Winter" and I wondered whether an exact month was given?

Also, she writes "We" and "our" so can you confirm Ms Partington was not alone in the car?

My final question is whether you still have a copy of the drawing she made of the entity she saw?

Apologies for all the questions. My thanks in advance.

 

Peter Paget <peterpaget2012@yahoo.co.uk

To       

Terry Hooper

Message body

Hi Terry,

Do you mean Mrs Bowles?  See may books for all the data you need. It is all there, nothing missed out. That is all I have. Original material was destroyed in one of the 'raids' .......     "Of no defence significance....!!!"   Ha  !

Retired now. The Trilogy of updated books are all done and published. Not writing any more. No more data and not collecting any more. Presentations on line and on Kerry's site and some on Mile's Bases 48 etc. Now getting to be 73. Done enough.

Kindest Regards,

Peter.

When I explained that I was NOT talking about Joyce Bowles but Vera Partington I simply got the previous response again.

In all the years of searching Vera Partington has not surfaced and Paget's book is the only source. I leave it up to the reader to judge for themselves.

The Aliens and the Dead Guinea Pig

 Christmas Day 1977  Kenley, next to Kenley Aerodrome Surrey

John Hanson   Haunted Skies vol. 6  pp 301-302

Earth-Link October 1978  Roy Fisher  Dan Goring

Derek Mansell Roy Fisher Contact(UK)

Allan Melmore's photo of RAF Kenley in the 1970's

Keith Lane was out feeding his rabbits and guinea pig when he became aware of a ‘man’ 6-7ft tall standing at the bottom of the garden.

“He was wearing a one-piece silvery suit –like an astronaut.  He had a white belt and the shoes were joined to the trousers.  The ‘man’ had a long forehead, with eyes showing red pupils, surrounded by blue –glowing, like cat’s eyes in the dark.  He had long sandy hair.  I was frightened and ran into the house, where I remained for the rest of the day”.

The next morning his guinea pig was found dead –the rabbits seemed fine.

At 18:30 hrs on Boxing Day, Keith was startled by the appearance of two ‘small people’ –one about 5ft the other around 4ft tall. They were identical in appearance to the person seen the day before.  Keith called out in alarm and the figures vanished instantly before his parents arrived. 

Hypnagogia? or Altered state? Anyone familiar with British Ufology will know of the Gaynor Sunderland case.

That would be my guess but then Ufologist Roy Fisher interviewed Keith then drove onto the aerodrome –used for HGV testing then- and found a 40 feet circular burn mark in the tar and grass that workmen there had not seen before.

Sounds impressive. But no photographs so no proof that the circular area existed or to show form and help researchers.

A UFO of the Mind or of Reality?

“We’ll take you to the saucer!”

The original title to the published report by Argentinean Ufologist Jorge Eduardo Catoja was “Entities Reported Inside A Shop In Argentina.” Gordon Creighton in his introduction to the article ("Entities Reported Inside a Shop in Argentina", Flying Saucer Review vol. 28, no. 4, March, 1983) wrote:

“We are indebted to the Editorial Committee of our French companion-journal Lumières Dans La Nuit, from No. 198 of which (October 1980) we have translated the curious item. Though many will find the report hard to swallow we think it worth recording, because it seems to smack very strongly - as so many "UFO stories" do - of the classical poltergeist phenomena familiar to us from the annals of psychical research.

It is admittedly difficult to recall any good "poltergeist case" in which the witnesses actually claimed to have Seen the causative agency. Consequently, most parapsychological investigators nowadays tend to veer away from the idea that any external intelligent factor (i.e. other than the human subject or subjects present in the case) can be involved with poltergeists, and they prefer to seek other less bizarre explanations. Note, however, that in the present case the two causative entities allegedly vanished temporarily from sight a feature that sounds extremely ‘poltergeistic’."

Sadly, “New Ufology” had made it quite acceptable to start citing anything in odd reports as being of a paranormal nature and Creighton was very well known for his belief that evil paranormal entities were behind “much of” the UFO phenomenon. I will come back to this further on.

In this instance, Jorge Eduardo Catoja visited the scene of the phenomena and interviewed the witnesses.

It was approximately 1640 hours on Sunday, 10th September, 1978, in the small town of Las Salinas, near San Miguel de Tucuman in northern Argentina. Miguel Angel Carbajal, aged 18, and his friend Miguel Ledesma, aged 23, were sitting in Carbajal’s home watching television, when the picture on the screen began to shrink and so they decided to switch it off. There was still the record player and putting on a record found that it was turning very slowly “as though at 16 r.p.m.” and they concluded that this along with the TV problem meant that there was a drop in the mains current supply. Then the duo tried to use a portable transistor radio to listen to a local game of football, but was also of no use due to interference.

The parents of Carbajal owned the shop adjoining the house but they were away visiting relatives; Carabjal and Ledesma were both employed in the shop. Miguel Carbajal has had three years of primary school education, and one year of secondary. The extent of his daily reading does not go beyond the local newspaper, La Gaceta, and he is not a UFO buff or an addict of Science-Fiction. As for his companion, Miguel Ledesma, the latter is quite illiterate. There was nobody else in the house apart from one disabled member of the family.

They were about to give up on getting the portable radio to work when they heard noises coming from the adjoining shop. Their first thought was that thieves had taken advantage of the owners being away and had broken in; the young men first got the disabled relative out of the house and once this was done they opened the connecting door which led directly into the shop. The first thing they saw was a smashed bottle of wine and some broken jars of mayonnaise strewn about on the floor. Moving further into the shop, they came upon a pair of scales thrown down onto the floor, with the glass smashed: they noted that the electronic till had been shifted some distance from its normal position. At this point they saw standing at a distance of about six metres from them, of two entities.

In the words of Miguel Carbajal told La Razon (12th September, 1978): "I was thoroughly scared... for I suddenly saw them. I was unable to speak... I thought they must be Martians, because I had read in La Gaceta that there had been UFO sightings in the district."

According to the young men the two entities were about one metre in height, and “dressed in bright blue one-piece suits like frogmen wear” and on their heads they had dark blue helmets. Their faces were brown and freckled and the eyes were straight and level. Their noses seemed to be flattish, although it was noted that neither man could give a very precise description – not surprising since they were obviously taken aback by the sight., The hands, arms, and legs all seemed 'normal' by human standards but the witnesses were unable to judge sex for sure. On their feet the entities had what seemed to be bright blue high-boots and shiny black elbow length gauntlets on their arms.

Above: illustration of what the entities looked like based on witness descriptions (c)2024 respective copyright owner

According to the young men one of the entities was holding a “weapon” of some sort which he was pointing at them in what they thought was a threatening manner. Carbajal stated that this “weapon” looked like a hair-drier. At this point both men heard the words: "Do, not shout, or we will take you to the saucer!" This seemed to come from the entities although they saw no lip movement from either of the two entities “so that the message was probably given telepathically.”

At this point one of the entities raised a hand and put the index finger to his nose, whereupon they both promptly vanished from sight. Carbajal dashed over to the till to get out the keys to the doors of the shop but as he did so the entities reappeared in precisely the same position as before.

Ledesma grabbed a knife and an iron bar and he and Carbajal, with the store keys in his hand, made for the door. Again the entities vanished, Ledesma told the reporters:

"I stepped over lightly to the store-room and there they were again, in there. And they threw a crate of cigarettes at me. It missed, passing in front of me. At once I made a dash for the exit, which Carbajal in the meantime had managed to open."

When asked by reporters whether they had heard any sort of sound when the entities were materializing and dematerializing Carbajal responded; "There was a sort of sound like TIN ...TIN ...TIN .." but only when they were vanishing."

Once out of the shop, they secured the door with padlock and chain and dashed off into Tucuman in the firm's van to find Manuel Carbajal Senior and tell him that thieves had broken into the shop. The trio then returned to the shop and went to the local police station, at El Timbo. Police Commissioner Miranda at once proceeded with them to the shop, but when they got there, the entities were not to be seen. It is not stated that Carbajal senior had seen the entities. The contents of the till were checked and it was found that no money seemed to be missing. The witnesses estimated that the episode had lasted about 5-10 minutes.

Jorge Eduardo Catoja having visited the site made a number of interesting discoveries when questioning people living in the neighbourhood. Two weeks previously, there had been sightings of two strange lights over a near-by salt mine which was the only local industry. Also, the occupants of a house near there had recently been the victims of a mysterious plague of stone-throwing. Other people whom the investigator questioned re-called that three years ago there had been UFO landings at a place known as Ramadeda de Abajo, lying to the east of Las Salinas.

Creighton jumps straight in here with the comment:

“And here we have the most characteristic and typical of all the features found in cases of poltergeistic infestations - namely "stones throwing!" -G.C.”

Sadly, FSR has sunk into the mire of silly reporting and theorising having dropped its attempted stance of “scientific reporting.” Let’s look at the facts here with a clear mind. Yes, the radio and TV problems are reported in UFO encounters and there are reports of entities seen inside buildings so there we have no real problem. When it comes to the manner of clothing of the entities, again, not dissimilar to other reports but when I read brownish skin with freckles and a “weapon” that looked like a hair dryer my first thought was that this was a novel way to cover up a robbery -dress as aliens and carry a converted hair drier to look like a weapon. Would the police believe “My store was vandalised and robbed by aliens”?

The odd aspects are that the men both heard that line: "Do, not shout, or we will take you to the saucer!" which, if it had been spoken I would have suggested were two thieves dressed up and using flying saucers as a cover since the subject had been in the newspapers. Both men were adamant that neither entities lips moved. Also, if the entities vanished and then re-appeared onm the same spot in plain sight of the witnesses...that is a pretty good trick for thieves!

The strange lights over the mine could well have been anything since there is no description or narrative as to what made them, “strange” in the first place. It could have even been a natural phenomenon so a connection to the shop encounter is very weak at best. Even if UFOs were in the news locally the same thing applies; unless thoroughly checked a light(s) reported are simply that and can be anything. Remember the only UFO connection in the shop encounter was the threat of taking both men to “the saucer” which still raises questions.

Of course, the money still being in the till and no goods seemingly missing tends to rule out the idea of thieves. But, as always, everything depends on whether the two men were telling the truth about what happened. The disabled young man was not spoken to as it seems permission was not given and we know nothing about his disability. The fact that no one mentions him after Carbajal senior and the police became involved seems to indicate that he had been moved.

The damaged items in the store are from evidence of any poltergeist activity being involved and, in fact, it is hard to say how Creighton came up with; “Note, however, that in the present case the two causative entities allegedly vanished temporarily from sight a feature that sounds extremely poltergeistic” since poltergeist activity takes place over a short or lengthy period and even sporadically but tends to have a focus of activity and although dark shapes or (alleged) “masses” have been seen none look anything like the two entities here and I have never heard of two entities appearing and re-appearing on the same spot in front of witnesses.

“And here we have the most characteristic and typical of all the features found in cases of poltergeistic infestations - namely "stones throwing!" is absolutely meaningless. The stone throwing was not at the shop and unless it was investigated at the actual house then stone throwing could be down to kids or an adult “having fun” -that is not unknown. Mind you, Creighton did once snap at me over the telephone “You are a fool if you believe these things are alien!” I hadn’t said that but I was unwilling to follow his seemingly unchallengeable theory that it was all Djinn -invisible creatures in early pre-Islamic Arabia and later in Islamic culture and beliefs. The term is now a “pop” term used in most fake paranormal videos interchangeable with demon. The point is that there was no evidence of poltergeist activity in this case only, perhaps, clumsy aliens: the number of times I have dropped or knocked things over by accident doess not mean a poltergeist was present!

The investigator and, presumably, police took the young men seriously but we have here a perfect example of believe or do not believe which, without any physical evidence or corroboration by others I mark as interesting but Low Strangeness.

Other references

Cronica, Buenos Aires, Argentina, 29^th September, 1978.

MUFON UFO Journal, no. 130, September 1978. page 15

UFO Newsclipping Service, Lucius Farish, USA.

HUMCAT: Catalogue of Humanoid Reports", compiled by David Webb and Ted Bloecher, USA, circa 1979.

"Deux Humanoïdes à Las Salinas", by Jorge Eduardo Catoja, Lumières Dans La Nuit no.198, October 1980. pp 28-30,