Total Pageviews

Sunday 1 November 2020

Todmorden, W Yorkshire November 1980

 Another case that needs far more information (it is tempting to cxlass it as a dream experience -and I am ALWAYS suspicious when certain location names crop up) is this one (Northern UFO News, NUFON, U-K., #141, February 1990):

END NOVEMBER 1980, TODMORDEN, WEST YORKSHIRE, U-K.

It was reported in a ufology bulletin of Northern England that near Todmorden, England, on late November 1980, at 01:00 a.m., a witness who was living in a rural farm area suddenly awoke from a deep sleep.

She then saw an orange light shining through her window and attempted to wake her husband but he did not respond. Looking outside, she saw that the light came from an oval shaped object, surrounded by a white halation, hovering in a nearby field.

She then suddenly found herself outside of the farmhouse sitting on the grass, looking at the object and three figures standing next to it. The figures were described as five-feet tall and wearing black colored diving suits. They stood in the shadows near a farm building.

She then found herself back in her bed attempting to wake up her husband.

The next day several of the chickens in the coop were found dead by the witness son.

KESTON PONDS, KENT, U-K 1981

 If anyone has anymore information on this case please get in touch so that it can be assssed -Thanks!

6th MAY, 1981, KESTON PONDS, KENT, U-K.

US author and sensationalist ufologist Gray Barker apparently reported in 1982 that on May 6, 1981 at an hour not specified, at a pond in Keston, U-K., two schoolgirls saw a figure wearing a cloak, a dark pointed hat and a circles of lights at its lower half, and this is all there seems to be about it.

Saturday 31 October 2020

Spanish CE3K/AE file


 Having updated the file for France and Belgium I found a couple other French reports so those were printed out and added to the file.  

Then came the updating of the Spanish file. I used up half a ream of copier paper, had to refill the ink cartridge twice (hence my black smudged fingers) as well as sort out printer jam but I have finally finished at 1900 hrs.

The photo hows the darker (plastic wallets with entries) older file pages. The cleaner chunk of pages are today's work.

Some very interesting reports, too.

Friday 30 October 2020

Update -The Salamanca Incident | U.S. Intelligence Tracks CE3K Reports

I think that some of the rather pedestrian comments in this video need dealing with. If you have never dealt with the military or authorities on a regular basis then you have no idea what i going on. If you ever studied military or intelligence history then you would know how things work.

Blue Book closed and stated that there was no evidence of a threat by UFO to the defence of the United States. Both Dr J Allen Hynek and Leonard H Stringfield told my late colleague Franklyn A Davin-Wilson that Blue Book had not ended the US military interet in UFOs. We knew that. There were magazine articles and even book giving 'the' code name of thi project -all of them were incorrect because this was the Ufological rumour mill and look at "Disclosure" -every year since 1999 I've heard how "This is it! Thi is the year we get UFO disclosure!"  Nothing.

In 1958 Lt General James M ("Jumpin' Jim") Gavin had a book published: War and Peace in the Space Age. Gavin looked at -as the title states- war in the space age and did not touch on the subject of UFOs, however, as US Army Missile Chief he would have been aware and probably saw reports. I often wonder whether he actually considered the possibility of hostiles from space.

Let's just step back from all the UFOs used as cover-up stories for aircraft and mi9ssile teting or even for secret aircraft test flights that reulted in a crash. Even i9f someone in the military or intelligence services thought UFOs and flying saucers a heap of hogwash there was always "Remember Pearl Harbor" and what happened there ingrained into their thinking. What might appear to show no threat to the United States on Monday may well attack it on Wednesday.

Even adopting the "It's all a natural but unknown natural phenomena" stance the military or intel;ligence community would have to question certain cases: Socorro, New Mexico, 1964 like a few other cases, had physical traces left behind -and when M. Maurice Masse had his encounter at Valensole, France, a few months later there were physical traces and when Masse was shown a phopto of a model of the Socorro UFO he was very  excited because someone had photographed the object he saw....two objects that looked the same and left physical traces but seperated by thousands of miles.

Marius Dewilde had an encounter that left physical evidence at Quarouble, Nord, France in 1954. Official French investigators ran all the checks and tests. Unexplained. 

I could go on because there is the Linke case that took place in Germany that we know the Central Intelligence Agency noted as well as US Air Force.  Here is where the "explain-it-all-away" natural phenomenon falls flat.  As a young man I knew that lights flashing about the skies could be anything because they were just lights.  However, how could I dismiss reports of seemingly solid, constructed objects? One witness -hoax? Two witnesses -still possible hoax.  Several people observing the objects and traces left.

To me, the very first question had to be "Who is flying these things?" Most UFO groups or saucer fan I spoke to responded "We have no idea"...unless they were leaning toward the contactee stories.  Blond-haired, tall, peace-loving "Nordic" type aliens or even visitors from Saturn, Venus, Mars and Jupiter -even at that point in time (I note there are still followers of this trash in 2020) we knew that Venus and Jupiter would not have supported humanoid life forms. Our interest should not dwell on thi matter, however.

Betty and Barney Hill were mostly dismissed for various reasons including that they were "mixed race" -as far as I know, however, both were human!   You accepted the Adamski type aliens or shut up and I was never good at shutting up. Luckily, people like Norman Oliver existed in British ufology who were willing to look at these accounts sensibly.

I still had my doubts but in 1977, under the guise of "Project Fort" I gathered every UFO report I could find from newspapers, magazines, UFO journals and books and as this was by hand within the space of a week I had thousands of slips of paper with reports that needed categorising. In  three days something became very obvious. In fact so obvious that I went through the process of analysing the reports a second btime....then a third time.  The result were the same every time.

there were three clear categories:

1. Insufficient data and dubious reports -many of these.
2. Some form of unscientifically investigated natural phenomenon/na -what I termed UNP
3. Clearly seen and described and obviously solid, constructed objects. Even if I dismissed single witness accounts I could not do so with multiple witnesses -who in many cases were unconnected and spread over an area.

Obviously, for me, Category 3 was a problem. I had proven that noted Ufologists were not just faking or altering accounts to make things seen "UFOs" but they had for over thirty years carried out no analysis of reports.  This is why the results of my work seriously concerned me. Vallee, Michel and, yes, even Hynek (who had at least categorised encounter types but took it no further) had not gone through the process of taking all the reports and categorisiung them to come up with the same results as I had and yet they were in perfect positions to do so.

Category 1 could be dismissed since most of the reports were of stars, planets, aircraft lights or hoaxes.
Category 2 I found a huge data base of cases for.
Category 3 I tried and tried to find solutions for. 

My late colleague Franklyn had told me that for research you must never depend on one source: "Find a second source and see what it says. Then look for a third and a fourth and if you can always contact the person who made the report"  This is why cases in my books will often have multiple sources as references.

I looked at all the For and Against arguments in cases. Despite everything said about the Hills and their "motives" it seemed as solid a case as you could wish for based on the fact that only they were percipients.

In UFO Contact? I looked at the "Classics" as well as cases previously dismissed by Ufologists -mainly because they were not looking at or considering the psychological aspects involved. Reports were to be millked for publicity and profit -Dr R. Leo Sprinkle shines out as someone who was more interested in the people than profit.  The Lorenzens were happy to hypnotise away or pump someone with scapolamine. 

The one thing that came across in every case was the psychological stress percipients underwent and how, had it not been for Ufologists inappropriate action and breaches of confidentiality these people were just going to get on with their lives. 

Single alleged percipient could be dismissed. The who "Grey" hysteria coul;d be dismissed since those involved in 'investigation' were far from unbiased or even willing to "stack evidence" in their favour.

But this is the point: if you have these seemingly solid reports of strange craft that you know do not belong to you and certainly nothing to do with the Soviets/Russians then who do they belong to and just who/what is flying them?

Military/Intelligence are obviously going to ask those questions after looking at the reports and I have no doubt what-so-ever that there are cases they have investigated and talked to the percipients and, one hopes, they would at least give those percipients the help they need especially if neither party want the story getting out.

Even then it is likely that they would not know more than Ufologists.  I have known military people interested in UFO reports and who even discuss ones they knew of and we all asked the same question: Who? Where from? Why?  The fact is that the resources available to the military/intelligence community are far superior than anything a civilian Ufologist (or me) have.

Yes, I would love to see those reports but I won't.  However, it shows that the official bodies are doing what they should be doing: looking at all the reports to assess the situation. I would be far more shocked if I had been told these people were not gathering information and studying the reports!

It's [Redacted] produce some interesting videos but their agenda(s) and lack of real world knowledge seems to problematic at time: either you are just going to present facts with educated speculation that you can back up by citing cases or just leave the speculati9ng to the viewer.


Schoonaarde, Belgium (0008) 1t January, 1979

 One of the good things about Ufology in the 1970s-1980s was that most communication was by letter and whether it was Werner Walter in Germany, Rudy De Groote in Belgium etc we got to know of any pecial interests in the subject. Rudy, like Werner, knew that I wa interested in any and all reports of Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Alien Entities.

In a covering letter with the Studiegroup Progressieve Wetenschappen's UFO Info publication for June 1979, Rudy said the Scoonaarde report ought to interest me and that omeone had volunteered to translate it from the Dutch (that in Belgium having some differences from the Dutch spoken in the Nederlands) for me. Sadly, nothing came of that and my smattering of Dutch is definitely no good to carry out translation work!

There is a brief summary in English at the rear of the publication -thi tended to be a standard with a lot of non English Ufological publication back then.

I have searched the internet but have not even found the report mentioned (it will be after this post has been copied!).   The following are the detail given:

"Schoonaarde   On January 1t 1979, between 8 and 9 o'clock (0800-0900 hrs or 2000-2100 hrs?-TH)Johan Van Boven (10) sees two large beings (Michelin type) walking in mid air. They wear a metallic, shining suit and helmet.  From the oppoite direction a flying saucer with two domes (as per Aveyron, France, 1967 -TH) approaches. Both figures climb a mall ladder on the ide of the craft, then the UFO flie off in the direction of Wetteren.

"The credibility of this case has not yet been established. A second boy, Dimitri Clinck (13), who also witnessed the sighting, gives a contradictory account. Moreover Johan Van Boven refuse to meet the researchers. All details collected have been given by his mother."

The UFO Info item covers pp. 5-16 and I believe this is looking at activity at the time since what is summarised could not posibly take up that much space.  Maybe one day someone can translate the full article.

We are not told what the contradictions in account are and a 10 year old may use different term to a 13 year old.  One might expect a made up account to be of a single domed flying saucer yet Van Boven describes a double domed object of which there are a few but even asking a Ufologist to name the cases might not yield the answers. So double domed is interesting.

Then we have that "Michelin type" decription. The events at Warneton wa 6 years before in 1974 so would a 10 year old know about the case or the outfits decribed?

Add to thi the fact that this is not the most sensationalist of reports and I am sure a 10 year old could have come up with a better story. As for his not meeting researchers well, he was a 10 year old boy and the sighting (if genuine) would have been scary enough so to meet adults he did not know would have been scary.

Johan would be in his 40s now as would Dimitri and it would be interesting to see whether they stuck by their accounts or could give more details.



CE3K/Alien Entity Reports from Belgium


 Updating the French CE3K/AE file has stopped for the moment so thaty I can tidy up the Belgian file.  Much smaller but some interesting reports. Sadly, not all well detailed (these I have marked "+") since back in the 1970s-1980 most communication were by letter and when it came to giving details for summaries such as Contact UKs UFO Register the space was restricted.  

If anyone has fuller report summaries thaty they can forward then please get in touch.

Report list:

0001   Spring 1935        Malines, Antwerp       +

0002   August 1946       Sint Niklaas, Antwerp   +

0003   9th Oct 1954      Nr Huy                          +

0004   20th Mar 1973   Tarcienne, Namur         +

0005   Dec 1973          Vilvorde, nr Brussels  

0006   7th Jan 1974      Warneton

0007   8th Jun  1974     Warneton

0008   1st Jan 1979       Schoonaarde  +


That is the total number of known (in English language sources) of reports from Belgium and it would be interesting to find out more details regarding 0001-0004 and 0008. If any Belgian Ufologist can help it would be appreciated.



Thursday 29 October 2020

The French File Is expanding...as is the German File!

 


Having been going through the AE/CE3K volumes I started updating the French file which is going to nee a seperate volume of its own. I even found an article I wrote around 1995 on Frnch cases -31 pages and 50 reports -all fully referenced. 

50 reports is looking rather lim now. If any French peaking Ufologist wanted work to dig into then I would say "Look at the reports from 1954" simply because the information on them is very slim and most were not investigated. If my French was up to the job then I'd be digging in.

France certainly has had some very interesting cases and some may well be classic cases of altered states.  The Aveyron incidents from 1967 are not even mentioned on the internet while others, such as the Cergy Pontoise hoax are --and still being called genuine!!

Now having said that, as I clearly showed in Contact, Germany has also had some pretty good cases though is seen as a country where only one incident has taken place (Linke).

How much could be achieved if there were several people working on this, however, this aspct of Ufology is till frowned upon unless you are a follower of Hopkins or Jacobs!

Thursday 22 October 2020

We're All Human


 Yesterday's postings of various UFO abductee videos should have allowed you to see the difference between various claimed percipients characters.  There were the "Starborn" types and their attitudes and behaviour clearly fall into a type.  

"Debbie" -I have met a couple of people like her and to date I have found no accounts given by "Tom" or others. Debbie is always the centre "My friend" -"My daughter" and the emphasi always tends to be self-focused.

We have the Wiener brothers and I have given my assessment of the Alagash incident elsewhere https://terryhooper.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-allagash-abduction-updated-appraisal.html

Travis Walton (and, no, I have not just left it with my conclusions from UFO Contact? as anything pro or con in the case that crop up I look into) is typical of the type that know they can do nothing to prove 100% that what happened did happen and so shrug and adopt the "It happened. Get on with your life". However, there is still a certain look in the eyes that when you see it you know that something is haunting them. In many cases these people are even afraid to smile or try to behave normally at events because it will be used against them.

Of course, it's very easy to say everyone falls into this or that type but they do not. You have to be aware of everything from body language, eye, mouth and other facial movements that reveal a person is being genuine or faking it. It does take a lot of covert people watching. Only experience is going to teach you but the videos I chose should be able to help you see what I mean.

One important thing never to forget is that interviews should be very informal and relaxed. Joke or see what you can spot in the room to start a conversation on. Even pet can get a relaxed conversation going. Remember that you are not talking to a "weirdo" claiming UFO abduction or an alien encounter but a human being who has had (possibly) a completely world view shattering experience.

And it is important that you listen and observe carefully but also do nbot raise eye-brows or give any other form of expression of incredulity. Keep the relaxed posture and just nod when required to show that you undertand what they are saying and mentally note points you want to come back to later -scribbling down notes whle someone is talking can be distracting and makes everything seem very official and formal. You have a tape recorder use that because it is small and soon vanishe as a distraction. 

Also, before you start any taping and have the person relaxed ask them if there is anything they want to add about their experience (before or after) that they do not want recorded.  In the case of the two girls at Oulton Marsh in 1978 the investigator was given information by the mothers while the girls were not present as it might be very embarassing if he were told in their presence.

It may seem that I keep on about this but these are people and not just a source of material for books or TV shows. There are certain things that you may be told that you can make notes on but should never include in general articles on the report.  I was once told by a witness, in hushed tones, that her menstral cycle had started earlier than expected after a UFO sighting that also involved three other people. There was no connection but the UFO experience was so outside her established world view (which included jokes about "nutters" seeing UFOs) that she had no idea.

I have spoken to people in the past who were told that seeing a UFO usually meant death followed. I explained that I had never read or heard of such a thing and that there were many local superstitions but these referred to "supernatural" things not UFOs in general. There is usually a sigh of relief -in two cases from Somerset in the 1970s I was asked whether what the witneses had seen was the "Devil' eye" -a local legend.  I put them at their ease. No laughing. No mocking. Just a simple response.  People still avoid walking under ladders.

And experience tells you that "People who stop and look down to their left when asked a question are lying" is not always true. 

We're all human.

Stanford and Eupora

  Mona Stafford, the last living member of the trio in the 1976 Stanford, Kentucky UFO abduction case was last interviewed by LEX18 TV on 15...