CE3K/AE Archive Appeal

I am rather concerned that there seems to be a very determined effort by British Ufologists to not share their files on CE3K/AE cases.

The point of the archive is to have a central repository of these cases for use in scientific and technical research.  It is very important that there is an archive that exists so that vital evidence is not missed or lost.

From 1977-2013 and my ‘official’ retirement I acted as a consultant to UK Police Forces on exotic fauna and that work is still sporadically coming my way. In over 40 years I have never breached confidentiality or agreements and have been privy to a lot of material that was quite sensitive and on several occasions I was offered large payments by three UK tabloids.  Money I really could do with but never even considered the offers because I had given my word and as far as I am concerned confidential is confidential.  The whole reason why police forces and other bodies used me as a consultant was that I also treated witnesses/observers details as never to be revealed.

The same thing applies to the UFO side of things.  I could quite honestly make money from selling stories to the press or writing books about those I dealt with over the years (1974 to present) and what I have seen.  Money does not come into this because of confidentiality, witness anonymity and if I were in this for the money then I will never make back the thousands I have spent over the years.

“Confidentiality” is not an excuse for not cooperating.  Copies of an ufologist’s

files are not going to be sent out at a whim to anyone who asks; that is not how this will work.  The data in the archive is to be used to analyse and look for trends or factors not already noted and be categorised.  The archive will also be a file back-up for the ufologist in the event he/she loses their work somehow.

The CE3K/AE Catalogue for the UK needs to be up-dated and made as comprehensive as possible because there is no central depository and there seems to be friction between some existing groups and investigators; my position is one of complete neutrality.  I am interested in the data and study only and every contributor will be told of any results as and when they are concluded.

For this work I suggest the blacktowercg@hotmail.com email is used with aopbureau@yahoo.co.uk  being the back-up mailing address.

Any questions please ask.

Thank You

Patrick Gross' Ufologie

I think anyone interested ought to really bookmark Patrick Gross' Ufologie website.  I tend to get annoyed at a lot of people involved in ufology but praise needs to be given to Gross' Herculean undertaking to catalogue as many cases as he can as well as offering pro and con points of view and his own opinion.

It is there for all and if you can help him update it you'll be helping the good work!

http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/sys/text.htm

The cataloguing Continues -and it IS depressing

What a surprise; the work I was supposed to be doing fell apart steadily.  Therefore, I decided to continue cataloguing the French CE3K cases.  There are some need more detail but the file looks a lot thinner now -which seems to add extra weight to my belief that these cases are far rarer than we thought.

The problem is that so many cases were not the subject of ufological investigations, others seem to be pure inventions to fit into books and there are no details of an original source.  If  Anonymous reports an experience on an Unknown date and at an Unnamed location then you have no case, especially if Anonymous does not come forward when reputable investigators make a plea.  Add the hoaxes and reports that are 2-4 lines in 'fullness', hoaxes, possible and known misinterpretations of helicopters, motor vehicles and other mundane objects -you get to a core of cases.

I have looked at cases from Denmark but they all seem to fall into the "very insufficient" data column and even then they are on the brink of falling into the Hoax column.

A great many Belgian cases also seem to be easily dismissed but there appears to be a small central core of encounters that contain interesting details.

Germany...I heave a big sigh over.  I recall Werner Walter telling me in the 1980s that I "probably will find those stories in UFO Nachtrichten"!  Unfortunately, the "new ufology" of the 1980s only accepted the CE3K/AE cases as "psychological" and the stagnated minds ran to the "it is all para-psychological" explanation.  Even today I get the remark "That's an American thing".

What happened to the whole "We need to investigate and get Science involved" spirit?  It seems that this was just hot air being blown out of every orifice.  Investigation by Newspaper Clippings was and still is the main method employed.  And all of those classic encounter cases -He took the word of Him who heard from whats-his-name that So-and-so had said the report was genuine because So-and-so had read the inch long space devoted to the case in a sensationalist newspaper known for these stories.  Are we to question the credibility of journalists -why would they fib?  And, 25 years later when a ufologist does look into the report; oh, the indignant anger at what the journalist left out or added to the witness account!

That paragraph sums up everything about UFOs reports in general but specifically about how CE3K/AE reports were handled.  How these cases are reported on today is simply inexcusable; add details of your own choice that others will then assume -if they even care- are accurate and all we have are lies, lies and incompetence.  Do not quote a source unless you have actually checked it -stating "page 101 of Lumieres dans la Nuit 1978" is pure bull-shit.  Which 1978 issue of LDLN?  I have scans of all of the issues for that year and, oh, "page 101"? No issue goes to 50 pages let alone 100. Miss-typed maybe page 10? No.

In one French case it is stated that Jacques Vallee identified one case as clearly being a hoax.  He then included it in his landings catalogue.

Really, at times I feel like Donald Trump screaming "fake news!!"

There must be serious investigators in other countries willing to look at the reports. Please, if you read this get in touch.  If you know serious ufologists in your country (this blog seems to have an international readership) -pass on my details or the blog details to them.

Lumières Dans La Nuit (LDLN), France, #317, May 1993.

Anyone with a scanned copy or who can add more -PLEASE get in touch,  Thank you!

MARCH 29, 1978, BEAUVOIS EN CAMBRESIS, NORD, FRANCE, A TEENAGER:

Brief summary of the event and follow-up:

The ufology magazine Lumières Dans La Nuit reportedly told in 1993 that in Beauvois les Cambrésis ior in the area of Cambrai, the Nord, France, on March 29, 1978, a teenager who was to take the bus to go to a cross-country race walked towards the bus stop but he was late. His sister thus decided to catch up with him on her bicycle in order to take him along to the bus stop, but she rode the trop without finding him.

When the sister rode back, she found him in the ditch, unconscious and bare chested, and without his replacements crampons; which would never be found. There were steps summarily cut in the high slope that borders the road.

The brother was delirious and told about four small men dressed in green who had wanted to make him a puncture at the left arm, where a V-shaped trace is indeed visible. When he awoke he reminded that he saw a luminous UFO dive on him, "which is corroborated by traces of desiccation on a nearby tree and in the grass, evoking the use of a ball of plasma. "

He has black vomiting as if one had injected a toxic product in him "perhaps radioactive, unless the irradiation came directly from the UFO". He reportedly stayed in observation at the hospital for 8 days.

In another version claimed to be based on the same source, it is said it occurred in the evening, but it was the family who looked for the missing teenager in the woods on the nearby hills. The UFO does not "dive" on him but was a "large and luminous object on the ground" and he is not kept in observation for 8 days but 8 hours.

In still another version, the teenager does not walk to the bus stop, but uses his bicycle because he missed the bus.

29 MARS 1978, BEAUVOIS EN CAMBRESIS, NORD, FRANCE, UN ADOLESCENT:

Bref résumé de l'événement et des suites:

Le magazine ufologique Lumières Dans La Nuit aurait rapporté en 1993 qu'à Beauvois les Cambrésis ou dans la région de Cambrai, Nord, France, le 29 mars 1978, un adolescent qui devait prendre le car pour se rendre à ume épreuve de cross-country a marché vers l'arrêt du car mais était en retard. Sa soeur est donc parti à sa suite pour le rattraper en vélo afin de l'emmener sur son cadre jusqu'à l'arrêt du car, mais elle a parcouru le trajet sans le trouver.

Quand la soeur est revenu en arrière sur le trajet, elle l'a trouvé dans le fossé, inanimé et torse nu, et sans ses crampons de rechanges qui ne seront jamais retrouvés. Il y avait des marches sommairement taillées dans le haut talus qui borde la route.

Le frère était dans un état de délire et a parlé de quatre petits hommes habillés en vert qui avaient voulu lui faire une piqure au bras gauche, sur lequel une marque en forme de "V" est effectivement visible. A son réveil il se rappelle avoir vu fondre sur lui un ovni lumineux, "ce qui est corroboré par des traces de dessiccation sur un arbre proche et dans l'herbe, évoquant l'usage d'une boule de plasma."

Il a des vomissements noirs comme si on lui avait injecté un produit toxique "peut-être radioactif, à moins que l'irradiation ne soit venue directement de l'ovni". Il serait resté en observation 8 jours à l'hôpital.

Dans une autre version dite basée sur la même source, il est précisé que cela se passe en soirée, mais c'est famille qui recherche l'adolescent dans des collines boisées proches. L'OVNI ne "fond" pas sur lui mais est un "large et lumineux objet posé au sol", et il n'est pas gardé en observation huit jours mais huit heures.

Dans encore une autre version, l'adolescent ne va pas à l'arrêt d'autobus à pied, mais prend son vélo parce qu'il a manqué l'autobus.

1976 . POISSY (YVELI NES)

I have to get on with life today so before I do allow me to demonstrate why non-English publications, or the reports in them, need to be translated:

DEBUT MAl 1 976 . POISSY (YVELI NES)
Une classe de l 'école des Sablons se promenait avec son instituteur à la mare aux canes dans le parc des Charmi lles, quand deux des enfants virent de loin un être«avec une tête violette sans bouche, sans oreil les, avec le corps couvert de poi ls gris; il etait très grand (environ 2m) , et entouré d'étranges lueurs» . Des traces d'atterrissages auraient été trouvées, on parle de soucoupes volantes, mais aussi de canular ..
(«Paris Poissy» du 1 7-5-76)

Lumieres dans la Nuit  no. 157.  That is it.  I've checked issues after it as well as French publications from around the time. No more.  It translates out in English as:

BEGINNING MARCH 1 976. POISSY (YVELI NES)

A class from the Sablons school was walking with his teacher to the cane pond in the Charmi lles Park, when two children saw from afar a being with a violet head without mouth, without eyes, with the body covered with gray skin; he was very big (about 2m), and surrounded by strange lights. Traces of landings would have been found, we are talking about flying saucers, but also hoax ..

("Paris Poissy" of 1 7-5-76)

And here is how it appears on many online sites:

"Summary:  Four children from the Sablons School, out with their class near a pond, observe at some distance a figure approximately 6-foot tall. He was covered with gray black hair, had a small, round head, wrinkled and violet colored, and he held his arms in front of him, slightly bent. He appeared to move without taking strides, gliding smoothly over the ground at a rather high speed. The children were unable to seen any legs. His body seemed to be surrounded by a “transparent light,” creating an effect similar to the head waves above a toaster. Frightened, the children ran to find their teacher who, upon returning to the scene, was unable to find any trace of the monster. Although there was no object seen, there was much talk of “flying saucers.”
Source:  Beatrice Benard, LDLN # 157"

THINKABOUTITdocs.com

Source and person is correct but the account is less than accurate and has been added to.  Anyone know of more details about this case because I have given up -my French is not capable of proper searching other than date, time and location.

Let's try to get a tiny bit of accuracy into these online sources shall we?

Videos

Do not panic -no one has left a question or comment!  Apparently I am more like to have a CE3K than that happen.

I know some will ask "Why so many French videos?"

The answer is simple.  France treated UFO and CE3K reports more seriously from the 1950s on, despite the obvious silly newspaper stories. Police investigated reports made to them and that seems to have been a pretty unique situation.  On the whole, France has produced more serious TV/news items on the subject than in the United States where they tend to be more sensationalist and less based on fact.

I would gladly include links to videos in Italian, Dutch, Spanish -whichever language so long as they are not dubbed American TV shows.  You have a link let me know!

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